I Forget — Was Trayvon Martin Armed?

Of course not…


http://www.cnn.com/2013/05/23/justice/florida-zimmerman-defense/index.html

So, weed/gun pics mean what — besides absolutely nothing — to this case?

One day, I hope to figure out/understand why the MSM is covering the case as they have been. Meaning, they’ve literally reported nothing of importance yet…nothing. Until then, I guess the goal is to incite emotion/pageviews from both sides?

Bottom line: No matter how many gun/weed pics Trayvon Martin had on his phone, Zimmerman can’t win a self defense (or stand your ground) case if — leading up to the murder — it’s well known/documented that he committed an act of assault by chasing an unarmed teen walking home with skittles and iced tea all over a gated community.

Creepy Ass Brent Musburger “Wisdom” During the Orange Bowl

“When you’re a quarterback at Alabama — you see that lovely lady there? She does go to Auburn…I want to admit that. But, she’s also Miss Alabama. And, that’s AJ McCarron’s girlfriend, ok? Right there on the right is Dee Dee Bonner. That’s AJ’s mom. Wow — I’m telling — you quarterbacks, you get all the good looking women. What a beautiful woman. Wow! Whoa! So, if you’re a youngster at Alabama, start getting the football out and throw it around the backyard with pops.”

Brent Musburger 1/7/2013

Trayvon Martin George Zimmerman Forum #1 – See Comment Section

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Zimmerman O'Mara Trial Date

Zimmerman O’Mara Trial Date

It’s been awhile and I hope all is going well. Not much had happened in the Trayvon Martin George Zimmerman case but within the past few weeks a tentative trial date of June 10, 2013 was set.

I’m currently in the process of shutting off the comment sections of the previous BccList.com postings. I will keep adding new forum postings like this one as the number of comments grow.

Within the relatively near future, I will link BccList postings and other links of interest below. If you notice links I’ve not listed, please email me at thelist@bcclist.com.

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Links to Sites Created by BccList.com Commenters Regarding the Trayvon Martin George Zimmerman Shooting

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From tchoupi — Includes a witness map, breakdown of Zimmerman’s multiple statements, clubhouse camera and weather analysis, etc…


http://imgur.com/a/bcAII

From Screamin’ Jay — Transcribed versions of many witness statements…


http://is.gd/Y1fVZ2

From whonoze — In-depth analysis including 911 call timings…


http://whonoze.wordpress.com/

From willisnewton — Crime scene analysis including photo enhancements…


http://www.flickr.com/photos/jeandodge/

From princss6 — Blood stain analysis…


http://princss6.wordpress.com/

From Lonnie Starr — An evidence dump of sorts…


http://tinyurl.com/d4x2y6b/

Given my frequent absence as of late, I definitely may have forgotten to link to a commenter’s site. If that’s the case, (I’ve closed the comments for this posting but) please email me at: thelist@bcclist.com

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Appeal Court Removes Judge Lester in George Zimmerman Case

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Of course, the removal of Judge Lester won’t matter since no judge that will be appointed lives under a rock…


http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/08/29/2975210/appeal-court-removes-judge-in.html


http://www.5dca.org/Clerk/George%20Zimmerman%2012-3198/5D12-3198.op.pdf

Thank you, CommonSenseForChange and willisnewton.

I’ve been MIA for a bit. I plan to play some catch up this weekend including publishing a posting that will note frequently referenced sites as of late. No, this won’t be anywhere near as useful as the previously mentioned BccList.com evidence dump.

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Why George Zimmerman Can’t Win a Stand Your Ground Hearing

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Jeff Weiner from the Orlando Sentinel recently interviewed local lawyers and asked how George Zimmerman would fare during a Stand Your Ground hearing:


http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-08-09/news/os-george-zimmerman-stand-your-ground-20120809_1_george-zimmerman-trayvon-martin-mark-o-mara

The answer: Zimmerman has absolutely no chance of winning such a hearing. But, none of the lawyers Weiner interviewed mentioned this for some reason.

Why is it impossible for Zimmerman to win a Stand Your Ground hearing?

Contrary to O’Mara’s request to recuse Judge Lester, the reason Zimmerman can’t win a Stand Your Ground hearing has nothing to do with any perceived grudge that Lester may have with the defendant. As mentioned in this crime scene map posting 4+ months ago, allow me to explain…

To win a Stand Your Ground hearing, Zimmerman has the burden of proof and must show that:

  • He was in a place where he was lawfully entitled to be.
  • He was attacked.
  • He had a reasonable fear of death or great bodily harm.
  • He was not violating the law.

Bullet Point 1: Without a doubt, George Zimmerman (the civilian) was allowed to be where the shot was fired in between the buildings. However, he wasn’t allowed to carry a gun OR patrol while on Neighborhood Watch. Given the truck location I’ve identified here, Zimmerman wasn’t simply heading to Target when he spotted Trayvon Martin near Frank Taaffe’s house — meaning, he was definitely patrolling. If there’s any bullet point Zimmerman can “win” though, it’s (barely) this one.

Bullet Point 2: Nobody says Zimmerman was attacked other than Zimmerman. Given how shaky his word has been to date, it will be up to Judge Lester to believe a man that’s already failed to stop his wife from lying under oath. If O’Mara was smart, he’d have some/most of Zimmerman’s defense funds going towards coaching for the upcoming hearing and trial. Otherwise, it’s going to be extremely tough to prove that Trayvon attacked the armed vigilante.

Bullet Point 3: Contrary to what Robert Zimmerman Jr. told Piers Morgan, I originally contested that George Zimmerman’s (only likely) broken nose and head abrasions requiring soapy water as treatment with absolutely no sign of brain injury were NOT consistent with life threatening injuries. But, then came word that Zimmerman believed Trayvon was reaching for the holstered gun and he thus feared for his life. If this was the case, we’d expect Trayvon Martin’s DNA to be found somewhere on the gun. Said DNA doesn’t exist so the threat of the unarmed teen firing Zimmerman’s holstered gun obviously wasn’t imminent.

Bullet Point 4: Without further ado, this is the absolute reason Zimmerman has no chance of winning a Stand You Ground hearing. At 2 different points during his call to police, Zimmerman indicates Trayvon is running away from. 1) “Shit, he’s running” at 2:08 and 2) “He ran.” at 2:39.

Under Florida law, assault is an intentional, unlawful threat by word or act to do violence to the person of another, coupled with an apparent ability to do so, and doing some act which creates a well-founded fear in such other person that such violence is imminent:


http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=0700-0799/0784/Sections/0784.011.html

It’s no wonder Zimmerman all of a sudden started ridiculously saying Trayvon “skipped” away. The moment Zimmerman denies Trayvon was fearful while on the phone with DeeDee that night is the moment Judge Lester rules against him.

Update from 8/30 - Appeal Court Removes Judge Lester in George Zimmerman Case:

http://bcclist.com/2012/08/29/appeal-court-removes-judge-lester-in-george-zimmerman-case/

Thank you, CommonSenseForChange and willisnewtown.

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Stand Your Ground Hearing for George Zimmerman?

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This hearing — to be ruled by Judge Lester (assuming he’s still presiding over the case) — is the defense’s only hope in my opinion. I (rhetorically) wonder if the Zimmermans’ trying to game the legal system during the bond hearing(s) will come back to haunt them…


http://gzlegalcase.com/index.php/press-releases/42-there-will-be-a-stand-your-ground-hearing-in-the-george-zimmerman-case

Thank you, Sharvey and diaryofasuccessfulloser.

Unfortunately for Zimmerman’s legal team, a potential Stand Your Ground hearing was announced on the same day I first started noticing the following YouTube video fly across twitter. Bad timing!

“You Got a Problem Homie?” Mash-Up:

Thank you, Sharvey and CherokeeNative.

Without being said, somebody is screwed and his initials are GZ.

Update from 8/09 - Why George Zimmerman Can’t Win a Stand Your Ground Hearing:


http://bcclist.com/2012/08/09/why-george-zimmerman-cant-win-a-stand-your-ground-hearing/

Update from 8/13 - Zimmerman defense appeals Judge Lester’s refusal to step down:


http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/08/13/2949940/zimmerman-defense-appeals-judges.html

Thank you, aussie and willisnewtown.

Update from 8/13 - O’Mara: “I’m not sure this is a stand your ground case…but rather a “traditional self-defense” case.”


http://globalgrind.com/news/george-zimmerman-trayvon-martin-mark-mara-legal-defense-major-announcement-details

Thank you, aussie and willisnewtown.

Update from 8/30 - Appeal Court Removes Judge Lester in George Zimmerman Case:

http://bcclist.com/2012/08/29/appeal-court-removes-judge-lester-in-george-zimmerman-case/

Thank you, CommonSenseForChange and willisnewtown.

The above posting is the 5th of 5 postings that includes updates regarding the Trayvon Martin – George Zimmerman shooting. The others can be found here…

1 of 5…


http://bcclist.com/2012/03/27/trayvon-martin-george-zimmerman-map/

2 of 5…


http://bcclist.com/2012/05/14/trayvon-martin-george-zimmerman-court-proceedings-and-trial/

3 of 5…


http://bcclist.com/2012/06/29/recapping-george-zimmermans-2nd-bond-hearing/

4 of 5…


http://bcclist.com/2012/07/12/trayvon-martin-george-zimmerman-2nd-evidence-release/

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BccList.com Mentioned in the Miami Herald

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The following is an interesting article by Frances Robles of the Miami Herald regarding “amateur sleuths” blogging about the George Zimmerman – Trayvon Martin shooting — I’m sincerely honored that BccList.com is mentioned…


http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/08/04/v-fullstory/2933157/the-trayvon-martin-truth-squad.html

3 things worth noting…

1) Dan Linehan from Wagist.com insists Zimmerman was the person heard screaming for help in one of the 911 calls. There’s absolutely nothing credible to support this assertion.

Two independent forensics experts said it was Trayvon crying for help. (edit: One forensics expert said it was NOT Zimmerman screaming for help and one expert said it WAS Trayvon’s voice) And, the FBI only stated they couldn’t confirm with 100% certainty who was heard.

In fact, nobody has said it was accused murderer yelling for help other than Zimmerman (and his family). Zimmerman (and family), having already lied under oath, have also said his mouth was being covered by Trayvon during the scuffle. But, of course, there are no breaks heard in the screams for help leading up to the fatal gunshot. Keep in mind, as noted in evidence dump #2, Zimmerman’s ex-fiancée said the injunction he filed in response to her’s was basically a mirror image of what actually happened the night of their fight in 2005.

2) Did Trayvon Martin get denied a cigar at 7/11 and then have the hooded guys buy him one? It doesn’t matter – at all – to his murder later that night but…

After (possibly) being denied tobacco at the 3:02 mark of the below video, Trayvon pays for his snacks, leaves, 3 hooded guys come in complaining about the weather (6:26 mark), they ask for 3 and then 4 cigars, leave, and a figure (possibly Trayvon) is seen walking left to right past the store window at the 9:14 mark.

To clearly reiterate, Trayvon Martin (possibly) obtaining a cigar obviously doesn’t justify being murdered by a crazy armed vigilante.

3) Jeralyn Merritt from TalkLeft.com apparently believes harassment, assault, aggravated stalking, Murder 2 (I’ll add the possibility of a premeditated Murder 1 charge), etc. are legal.

Moreover, before accusing Trayvon Martin of doubling back, she may want to check out map 2 which explains the 2+ minute gap in Zimmerman’s statement and coordinates well with Brandy Green’s, Witness #8′s, and Witness #2′s statements:


http://bcclist.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/trayvon-martin-george-zimmerman-map-911-call-timing-v-2.jpg

Then again, debating George Zimmerman supporters is worthless.

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George Zimmerman Evidence Dump #2 – A Deeper Dive

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Yes, this posting should have gone up within a week of evidence dump #2 being released — I’m a little behind. I’ve yet to thoroughly review the jailhouse calls but I’m publishing this posting now to preface an upcoming posting. Thank you CommonSenseForChange for the assist — especially regarding Zimmerman’s ex-fiancee’!

All pages cited are from this document…


http://www.news4jax.com/blob/view/-/15490330/data/1/-/kligxm/-/Zimmerman-documents.pdf

Page 29: Witness 2 said the shadows were running from left to right. W2 lives east of the path. So, the running motion she described is from south to north. Note — Gilbreath ambiguously mentioned shadows running as evidence during bond hearing 1. This witness statement is horrible for the defense and seems to coordinate well with DeeDee’s statement and this map…


http://bcclist.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/trayvon-martin-george-zimmerman-map-911-call-timing-v-2.jpg

Page 78: Zimmerman said he followed Trayvon. He doesn’t mention trying to obtain an address. Like the video reenactment, I speculate that during the trial there will be absolutely no admission of Zimmerman trying to do anything but get an address for the dispatcher.

Page 78:
Osterman mentioned Zimmerman cried for help to 3 different neighbors and then Trayvon covered his mouth seconds before the shot was fired. I didn’t hear any breaks in the screams for help until after the shot was fired. I know this has been mentioned before — even during bond hearing 2 — but I had never seen evidence suggesting exactly when Zimmerman’s mouth was supposedly covered.

Page 79:
Osterman stated he accompanied Zimmerman to the video reenactment because Zimmerman didn’t understand the process. I guess a near associates degree in criminal justice doesn’t teach you much these days, eh?

Page 79
: The 5th and 6th paragraphs confuse me. Is that still a statement from Osterman?

In the 5th paragraph, a list of burglaries are cited. In the 6th paragraph, is Osterman saying Zimmerman never mentioned any burglaries or home invasions to him? If so, which one is it?

In the 6th paragraph, is Osterman saying Zimmerman never actively patrolled the neighborhood? Statements on pages 108, 109, and 111 would disagree. Which one is it?

Page 89: Like Manalo, the name of Zimmerman’s bro in law (Wilson) wasn’t redacted. There’s likely nothing of value there…I just made a note.

Page 95:
Who is the community management point of contact? What beef did Zimmerman have with him/her?

Page 99: The 2nd paragraph is weird. Who interrupts to ask if the neighborhood watch was registered with the police? Whoever this witness is, they must be familiar with neighborhood watch programs and law enforcement.

Page 99: Zimmerman again (2nd time) says he followed Trayvon. He doesn’t mention trying to obtain an address. As mentioned above, I speculate that during the trial there will be absolutely no admission of Zimmerman trying to do anything but get an address for the dispatcher.

Page 106: Did Zimmerman really ask somebody why they were outside (smoking a cigarette)? That gets your ass kicked in a lot of neighborhoods. It would be interesting to know this person’s stature and/or ethnicity. The statement was taken from a female. The person Zimmerman questioned about being outside was a male. I’m guessing they were boyfriend/girlfriend? Regardless, per paragraph 6, it looks like the male didn’t want to divulge more info about the incident to the FBI. Balls of steel.

Page 110: The only other person besides Osterman and the individual on page 135 to say Zimmerman didn’t actively patrol the neighborhood. Statements on pages 108, 109, and 111 would disagree. Which one is it?

Note: Both individuals on page 110 and 135 serve the RTL HOA in some official capacity. Both make it clear nobody from Neighborhood Watch patrolled the community. That apparently isn’t true per 108, 109, and 111. Why are these two individuals insistent that nobody patrolled the neighborhood?

Page 113: Who did Zimmerman “stare” down? It would be interesting to know this person’s stature and/or ethnicity.

Page 118: Undoubtedly Joe Oliver. The female mentioned in paragraph 3 is…? Sondra?

Page 128: Undoubtedly Taaffe. Mostly black teens crossed through the open area? And, some of them smoked blunts? And, most ignored him while talking on their cellphones?

Trayvon was possibly smoking a cigar (per the 7/11 video, Trayvon seemingly got denied a cigar and possibly had the 3 guys seen after he leaves the store buy an extra one for him) and talking on his cellphone while walking through the open area near Taaffe’s. Coincidence that Taaffe would add random ass things about blunts/cellphones to his FBI statement?

Page 137:
Zimmerman again (3rd time) says he followed Trayvon. He doesn’t mention trying to obtain an address. Like the video reenactment and as mentioned a few times above, I speculate that during the trial there will be absolutely no admission of Zimmerman trying to do anything but get an address for the dispatcher.

Page 141: Zimmerman’s ex-fiancee’ said he smacked her in the mouth. They got into an argument which escalated into a pushing match. Zimmerman kicked her dog in the stomach and the ex-fiancee’ moved out the next day. Though Shellie has already lied under oath, she mentioned Zimmerman didn’t show aggression (paraphrasing) of any type during their relationship. Did such aggression get “cured” before Shellie and he met?

Page 141: Zimmerman was caught by his ex-fiancee’ lying on the bed with his teenage neighbor playing with her baby. Has anybody spoken to the former teenage neighbor especially given Witness 9′s statement?

Page 141: Zimmerman’s ex-fiancee’ caught him stalking her at a new residence. The ex-fiancee’ called Zimmerman and asked him where he was, but he lied and said he was elsewhere. The ex-fiancee’ told Zimmerman that she saw him leaving her residence. Zimmerman asked if he could come talk to her about a sick grandmother. So, Zimmerman was lying and manipulating then — what stops him from doing so now?

Page 142: Zimmerman refused to leave his ex-fiancee’ new place of residence and asked if he could sleep on the couch. Zimmerman snatched her cell phone and put it in his pocket. The ex-fiancee’s dog bit Zimmerman on the face and she was able to retrieve her phone and call the police. Zimmerman ran before the police arrived. Zimmerman’s ex-fiancee’ filed an injunction against him on the advice of a responding officer. Did such aggression get “cured” before he met Shellie?

Page 143: Zimmerman turned off his mother’s electricity, locked the box to it and departed leaving his mother with no electricity. This was done because Zimmerman’s mother and ex-fiancee’ got into an argument. Did such aggression (against his mother!) get “cured” before he met Shellie?

Page 144: Zimmerman has a bad temper according to his ex-fiancee’. She thought this may have been a side effect of Zimmerman’s use of Accutane. In Zimmerman’s medical report the day after the shooting, the drug Vyvanse is mentioned to cause mood swings in Zimmerman. Was his bad temper and mood swings “cured” before he met Shellie?

Page 144: Zimmerman’s ex-fiancee’ says Zimmerman would exhibit “road rage” while driving. Did Zimmerman’s “road rage” get cured before he met Shellie?

Page 182 and 183: Officer Smith seems rather unprofessional. Those transmissions were sent via government supplied devices, right? Is he currently active, on leave, or terminated after these messages came to light?

Speaking of Officer Smith (and more to come within the next few days)…

Page 10: Sergeant McCoy notes a gun lying on the front seat of Officer Smith’s car.

Page 23: Officer Smith removes the gun from Zimmerman’s holster at the police station after Zimmerman went to the bathroom and possibly washed his hands (plus what else?).

Which statement is correct? Was Zimmerman’s gun already secured at the scene or was it secured at the police department?

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